Biofems? Designer Women?

[xodar]

I don't know what to call biologically redesigned human females.
Nothing I came up with in a couple of minutes yielded what I was looking for, in this case not fembots or "machine women", but actual biological females designed through genetic engineering and other bioscience to be precisely what you might want.
Is there a term for this?

[--NightBattery--]

not one yet as popular as "cyborg" or "zombie" as genetics wasn't the big hit until the Genetically modified organisms and the flourescent animals came, maybe GMOS? (genetically modified organisms), splices? (for gene splice) for once anyone can use their imagination in this one !

[--NightBattery--]

honestly, people is so ignorant about genes that they get scared if they hear there are genes in their food, maybe genos could be a good (phobic) name too

[--NightBattery--]

ever watched the movie GATTACA?

[--NightBattery--]

also bioroid.. that could be a winner...sounds very militar scenario though...

[--NightBattery--]

ever heard of the genpets?

http://www.genpets.com/index.php

why not genbot, genborg?...some degree of the behavior is also coded in the DNA so you can manipulate a living being if you engineery it

[Gorgo]

I don't know what to call biologically redesigned human females.
Nothing I came up with in a couple of minutes yielded what I was looking for, in this case not fembots or "machine women", but actual biological females designed through genetic engineering and other bioscience to be precisely what you might want.
Is there a term for this?

Try "bioroid." That might work.

[xodar]

ever heard of the genpets?

http://www.genpets.com/index.php

why not genbot, genborg?...some degree of the behavior is also coded in the DNA so you can manipulate a living being if you engineery it

Bioroids seems pretty good, though it suggests hemorrhoids.
I have in mind something like a domesticated animal, a natural process since they are essentially symbionts with humans and in fact took part in the process themselves. People didn't capture wolves and force them to become dogs; some wolves took to hanging around human settlements because they wanted to. That probably took around 10,000 years leading up to the tentative date of 15,000 to 20,000 years ago for domestic dogs to appear. However, Russian scientists have duplicated the process with foxes in 50 years by constantly separating from wilder ones and breeding together the ones that got along with humans. I suppose we can do this even more rapidly in a few years. There would be normal, "wild", women and domesticated ones.
This isn't an old fashioned, backwards looking idea. For one thing I don't like the smell of silicon and similar substances that might be used in fembots and I also think one of the things people need is pheromones given off by the opposite sex. Their lack might cause subtle behavioral quirks. For another I don't like having to get into an argument or battle of egos a couple of times an hour, and one virtue of most domesticated creatures is that they want to be cooperative but aren't afraid to act on their own when there's an actual reason. I realize people brought up in contemporary society can't tell the difference between mutual cooperation and dominance/submission and might be upset by the notion.
Doesn't mean I'm not also interested in bots, just that biofems remain a more satisfying choice.
Say, biofems is a good word, too.

Thanks for the suggestions...

[Gorgo]

Bioroids seems pretty good, though it suggests hemorrhoids.

LOL! Actually, I got the term from Shirow Masamune's Appleseed. I look at the word as a portmandeau meaning "biological android," which is why I proposed it.

[WilloWisp]

Just a side note: The Genpets thing that Battery linked earlier is (thankfully) a hoax, created by an artist in an attempt to "get people thinking about the implications of genetic engineering."


www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/genpets.asp

[xodar]

Just a side note: The Genpets thing that Battery linked earlier is (thankfully) a hoax, created by an artist in an attempt to "get people thinking about the implications of genetic engineering."


http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/genpets.asp

We've been thinking about that for quite some time, especially people on forums like this. The genie is out of the bottle already...

[Frostillicus]

Weren't they in Blade Runner along with standard mechanized androids as well. Replicants?

[xodar]

Google:

bioroid
About 168,000 results


Wikipedia:

A small group of cyberpunk and mecha anime, manga and role-playing games have used the term bioroid sometimes generally for a partially or fully biological robot or for a breed of genetically engineered human slaves, similar to the replicants in Blade Runner. In 1985 the animated Robotech television series popularized the term when it reused the term from the 1984 Japanese series The Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross. An alternative term biot is a portmanteau of "biological robot" and was originally coined by Arthur C. Clarke in his 1972 novel Rendezvous with Rama.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biorobotics#Bioroid


A good word, but I may stick to "gynoid" as the generic term. "Fembot" is still good.

[--NightBattery--]

Haha. it's true! genpets are fake, they were made by an artist, i didn't say anything so a few would suddenly get: !!!!
like willowisp i don't feel like sharing my genome either if it is going to be used for profit...but to my knowledge there are already human genes that are patented

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bF2QalU ... r_embedded

[xodar]

Indeed, I'm leery of such things. I wouldn't be a sperm donor except directly to someone I knew, with a legal agreement. I'd expect to deliver it in person by natural means.
I did, however, take part in a study of the Y chromosomes of people with my last name. The information is probably filed away someplace besides the family organization behind the study. It verified family tradition and documents, incidentally. I don't know of any genes that would be worth patenting: no famous artists or anything but ordinary people living about the average span for their times.
However, of a couple of hundred participants in the study descended from a few men who came to America about 300 to 350 years ago, those men being descended from a man born in the 1500s, only a couple could not be related to the others or to the ancestral guys. (There are a couple of mutations that occurred after emigration.) That speaks well of three centuries of wives.

[Gorgo]

A good word, but I may stick to "gynoid" as the generic term. "Fembot" is still good.

That's why I would propose "bioroid" for fully organic inducted sentients, which is what this discussion line is talking about. Yes, I agree that "gynoid" is perfect for mechanical inducted sentients designed to resemble (to whatever stage people would desire) women. But the point of this particular chat, AFAIK, is concerning fully organic beings.

That's the reason I brought up "bioroid."

[csoloist]

Been a fair while since I read it, but weren't the bioroids in Appleseed's universe just engineered humans, rather than synthetic organisms?

[Gorgo]

The bioroids in Appleseed were, AFAIK, created originally in a form of cloning, the DNA coming from genetic donors across the Earth at that time (Deunan Knute's father Carl was one such donor; in Appleseed Ex Machina [released in 2007], Briareos Hecatonchires [Deunan's combat cyborg boyfriend] was revealed to have a clone of his own, Tereus).

Along the way, to create the "utopia" called Olympus, certain urges that occur in normal humans were repressed in the bioroids (i.e. reproductive urges as well as anything which might make them rebel, go crazy or do evil things). This, IMO, this makes the Appleseed bioroids more akin to designer-specific inducted sentients (like gynoids) than normal flesh-and-blood humans (or what I call in my fanfic writing "organic-borns").

BTW FYI, I took the bioroid concept from Appleseed and ran with it in my Urusei Yatsura fanfic series The Senior Year. With the Avalonians (the bioroid race I introduce in UY-TSY), I set it up that the factory that creates them was designed to create fully-organic inducted sentients (with the psionic capabilities of their own "creator race," the Sagussans) that -- because the factory is right there -- don't have to bother with the normal reproductive processes. However, as time went on, the urge to find "normal" guys (the Avalonians are all female, BTW) soon turns all of the factory's "daughters" into a race that can intermingle and interbreed with any compatible humanoid race.

[Stephaniebot]

Been a fair while since I read it, but weren't the bioroids in Appleseed's universe just engineered humans, rather than synthetic organisms?

Yes, according to this

http://appleseed.wikia.com/wiki/Bioroid

Lucky them!

[xodar]

A good word, but I may stick to "gynoid" as the generic term. "Fembot" is still good.

That's why I would propose "bioroid" for fully organic inducted sentients, which is what this discussion line is talking about. Yes, I agree that "gynoid" is perfect for mechanical inducted sentients designed to resemble (to whatever stage people would desire) women. But the point of this particular chat, AFAIK, is concerning fully organic beings.

That's the reason I brought up "bioroid."

That's true. Gynoid and fembot are pretty much taken up by machines, not artificially evolved life forms. It's the "--roid" part that kind of gets to me, but what works makes the language.

[dale coba]

I'm reading along, I finish the thread... but those last words echoed in my ear with no decay.

... what works makes the language.

Compact, and profound.
The insight skewers all pomposity of the Authoritarian.

Language is a force of our nature.
You may as well try and catch the wind,
as suppress the successful expression of Meaning.

- Dale Coba