I was having a discussion with Kishin over email, and we thought we'd post it here to spur some discussion on the topic:
I have yet to watch the whole thing.
But I have noticed that Ex Machina is this generation's "Terminator" that some people point to as "proof" that we shouldn't build strong AI or humanoid robots.
It's a fucking work of fiction people! Do you ever get the feeling that you're trapped on a planet with very few smart, logical people and around 7 billion complete idiots?
Kishin wrote:LOL if that AI that went totally racist and lazy is any indicator, robots would be just as annoying as the average redneck, with roughly the same motivations!
Robotman wrote:Well, here's the thing... that Tay AI was a publicity stunt and not much more. Any serious attempt at AI won't be let loose on fucking Twitter. If the purpose of the AI is for marketing, then by all means, confine it to the cesspool of online social media. But for true strong AI, a more thoughtful approach is needed, and I'm sure serious AI researchers are well aware of this.
Kishin wrote:Oh of course. We really don't know how strong AI will behave. People assume the worst, and it COULD actually happen. But I doubt it will happen in our lifetime. Hell at this point I'm not sure sex androids will be a viable option in our lifetime. People seem so opposed to anything sexual.
Robotman wrote:Quite true. And most people by far don't understand some very important concepts about AI and AI development. Most people just think that AI will be just one big development that will be a computer version of us.
This couldn't be farther from the truth. And Hollywood is squarely to blame for this as well. This bullshit trope keeps getting recycled over and over again, and it really has hurt the public image of AI and even robotics development.
I remember when that exciting Boston Dynamics bipedal robot video came out last month, about 90% of the comments I read were either jokes or legitimate fears about "This is how Skynet starts". For fucking Christ's sake, people. Far too many people were actually, seriously, and for real commenting on how when the robots become sentient, they will take revenge on us because the dude with the beard pushed that robot with a hockey stick.
And the worst part is that the overwhelming negative reaction that video got is part of the reason why Google is now selling Boston Dynamics. This is why we can't have nice things.
Anyway, back to why AI won't me one monolithic duplication of the human mind...
if you look at most of the AI projects in development, they fall into three categories:
1) privately funded for profit
2) privately funded for research
The third one is speculative only, and no one really knows what the US and other military forces around the world are doing in the field of AI. We can only guess.
The first one is aimed at making money, obviously. Every AI being developed here is intended to be part of a product, and if it doesn't work for that goal, it will be modified, reworked or scrapped.
The second one is more along the lines of what science fiction writers have been describing since the 50s. It's aimed at discovering the limits of what cognitive processes can be replicated in hardware and software. It's the one most likely to yield anything close to a fully interactive human mind in the form of a computer, and still most people have no idea just how deeply complex and far away that is.
Most people think that an AI controlled entity would have hopes, fears, dreams and goals of its own innately. This assumption is also completely wrong. Those things would have to be programmed into it on purpose, and while we were doing that, we would no doubt ask ourselves "why are we programming this robot to fear the unknown?" or "why are we programming this computer to be ambitious?"
Those are qualities that have evolved with us as a species and there is no need for an AI controlled entity to have them. It would have no use for them. That's why I just roll my eyes at so many of the artsy videos that get posted every now and then featuring fembots... they're all so damned trite and cliche. Oh look, the fembot got jealous. Oh look the fembot went psycho and killed her master. Oh look the fembot longs to be human. It's all unrealistic bullshit.
So anyone want to add their own perspective? Counterpoints?