AI content discussion

[sbot2015]

With the launch of Veo 3 and similar capable AI video tools, I think AI content rules should be reviewed. This is already a very niche community and completely banning AI content is just fracturing the community where this should be a place for centralised discussion and media for this interest. There are already discussion boards for discussing many other topics on this board, so it seems strange to exclude this. I can understand the rule of banning it from fembotwiki, but to not allow links to be shared in a discussion board is very restrictive. New models such as veo 3 only require a Google account and is allowing people in this community to explore their ideas and create new media in an exciting new way. You can see places such as deviantart have many accounts creating great content with AI, but it's so hard to discover when it's fragmented on different places on the web. Allowing AI content here would allow a central place for all of this to be shared and grow the community. I think AI content should be clearly marked and only posted in an AI dedicated board. This would be of great benefit to the community in my opinion. I of course advocate for genuine artists to continue their great work and support their work as the main purpose of fembotcentral/wiki, but to ignore the possibilities of AI and just shut it out completely is not in the best interests of this very niche community in my opinion.

[MalcfunctionCrazyfor]

Going to have a hard time with this one.

There was an active discussion going on the Reports section where 2 members were sharing and weighting in their experiments, and a healthy discussion sparked. Even Fection weighted in on it.

And now its been completely removed. Not even locked, just removed. Looking real healthy out here.

[sbot2015]

Oh that's not promising, we're such a small group, in-fighting and restrictions is not helping anything. The community should have a genuine vote on things like this, just locking out good discussion on this is not helping anyone. Any idea if the discord allows AI content? (I'm not a member though )

[MalcfunctionCrazyfor]

If you're talking about Fembot Labs, Fembot Central's official(?) discord server. Then no, AI content is not allowed there either, not on reports or creation posts.

[ProchazkaJBG]

Oh that's not promising, we're such a small group, in-fighting and restrictions is not helping anything. The community should have a genuine vote on things like this, just locking out good discussion on this is not helping anyone. Any idea if the discord allows AI content? (I'm not a member though )

Don't worry you'll get shouted down soon enough lmao

[TheShoveller]

If you're talking about Fembot Labs, Fembot Central's official(?) discord server. Then no, AI content is not allowed there either, not on reports or creation posts.

Fembot Labs is different from Fembot Central, which is also different from Fembot Wiki. Robotman used to have the forums and the wiki, but since he stopped running them they were split between Spaz (the wiki) and myself (the forums.) FBL was never officially a part of this - just a similar community on which we're on pretty good terms. Just because someone gets banned off the forums doesn't mean they're banned from the other two or vice-versa.

[DukeNukem 2417]

If that "shouted down" bit was a dig at me, allow me to clarify my stance.

I am all for the creation of content by human beings using their God-given talent and imagination. Write, draw, paint, compose, sculpt - however you want to create, create. But if your idea of creativity is "feed a prompt to an algorithmic engine that shits out some approximation of what you asked for that it could only make by way of analyzing terabytes of other work made by actual people", then that isn't creativity. LLMs and other generative engines are a crutch, not a tool.

[MalcfunctionCrazyfor]

Hey Shoveler. Apologies, that's why I put the question mark in there. However, I do believe I'm accurate as well in stating that AI is not allowed in Fembot Labs discord as well, correct?

Making sure I'm not spreading misinformation.

[sbot2015]

If that "shouted down" bit was a dig at me, allow me to clarify my stance.

I am all for the creation of content by human beings using their God-given talent and imagination. Write, draw, paint, compose, sculpt - however you want to create, create. But if your idea of creativity is "feed a prompt to an algorithmic engine that shits out some approximation of what you asked for that it could only make by way of analyzing terabytes of other work made by actual people", then that isn't creativity. LLMs and other generative engines are a crutch, not a tool.

I understand your stance, but allowing AI isn't stopping people from creating using the tools they want to. Engaging with creating media here is very time consuming and potentially costly if you want to learn photoshop for example and that isn't going to allow you to produce videos. Everyone is creative in their own way, for example I do a lot of photography for travel and street photography, but that doesn't mean I'm skilled at photo manipulation in photoshop, but I still want to engage with the community here. AI is a fun way of exploring new options for content to share with the community. Restricting it to a specific board for example ensures it doesn't dilute the real art being created on the main boards, but allows for more engagement from the wider community.

[dubhdanaidh]

There are some smaller fembot themed Discords that allow AI and I know plenty of people members of them and FembotLabs and/or Fembot Central. So there are places if AI images/movies are your thing.

[sbot2015]

There are some smaller fembot themed Discords that allow AI and I know plenty of people members of them and FembotLabs and/or Fembot Central. So there are places if AI images/movies are your thing.

Any examples/links? My point was mainly about FW/C though as I've always viewed it as being great as a central hub for bringing all of this content together instead of just another site.

[dubhdanaidh]

It's RobocopGirls HQ

https://discord.gg/Wxm86JAr

I also know Kube and BunnyBot post stuff on DeviantArt. Bunnybot seems more active. There are a few other people posting AI content on DeviantArt too.

[TheShoveller]

Hey Shoveler. Apologies, that's why I put the question mark in there. However, I do believe I'm accurate as well in stating that AI is not allowed in Fembot Labs discord as well, correct?

Making sure I'm not spreading misinformation.

Correct, they've got a similar policy.

To clarify, while we do not allow AI works here on the forum, I will say that we do not completely disallow it - only when the bulk of the work is done by AI.

Asking an AI to write a story based on a prompt or two you give, and editing the result for grammar and punctuation? Not acceptable - the AI did the bulk of the work, you did little more than spellcheck it.

Writing a story and saying "Hey AI tool, give me some scenarios for a fembot story," and then using the premise of a scenario for your own written-by-you story? Acceptable. Same thing with like, "if I was a robot and I had to escape being trapped in this room, what would I do?" and using the suggestion it gives you - agaion, written in your own words, not the AI's.

Saying "Hey AI, make me a picture of a fembot malfunctioning and broken down!" and then posting the result here? Not acceptable. Not even if you photoshop it a bit, or get an AI generated image of a person and photoshop it into a robot - not cool.

Saying "Hey AI, show me a pic of a humanoid robot broken on the floor," and then using that as a reference for your own drawn / 3d modelled work? Acceptable - it's being used as a reference, not the bulk of the work.

I honestly can't think of a single valid use for an AI generated video beyond maybe rotoscoping if you do 2d animation yourself, but even then you can probably find already existing works that do a lot of that stuff as it is without needing AI.

[RoxxyRobofox]

It is extremely disingenuous of you to come here like "Oh woe is me we were having such a productive conversation and the mean old mods deleted it" when in the deleted thread you explicitly stated "If this is against the rules the mods can delete it".

[ProchazkaJBG]

Hey Shoveler. Apologies, that's why I put the question mark in there. However, I do believe I'm accurate as well in stating that AI is not allowed in Fembot Labs discord as well, correct?

Making sure I'm not spreading misinformation.

Correct, they've got a similar policy.

To clarify, while we do not allow AI works here on the forum, I will say that we do not completely disallow it - only when the bulk of the work is done by AI.

Asking an AI to write a story based on a prompt or two you give, and editing the result for grammar and punctuation? Not acceptable - the AI did the bulk of the work, you did little more than spellcheck it.

Writing a story and saying "Hey AI tool, give me some scenarios for a fembot story," and then using the premise of a scenario for your own written-by-you story? Acceptable. Same thing with like, "if I was a robot and I had to escape being trapped in this room, what would I do?" and using the suggestion it gives you - agaion, written in your own words, not the AI's.

Saying "Hey AI, make me a picture of a fembot malfunctioning and broken down!" and then posting the result here? Not acceptable. Not even if you photoshop it a bit, or get an AI generated image of a person and photoshop it into a robot - not cool.

Saying "Hey AI, show me a pic of a humanoid robot broken on the floor," and then using that as a reference for your own drawn / 3d modelled work? Acceptable - it's being used as a reference, not the bulk of the work.

I honestly can't think of a single valid use for an AI generated video beyond maybe rotoscoping if you do 2d animation yourself, but even then you can probably find already existing works that do a lot of that stuff as it is without needing AI.

Uhhhh how about creating something a normal person couldn't without spending an assload of money (for software/tools or to have others produce it)?? (Not talking about simple sloppy "AI do this" vids like you were talking about, I mean ones that actually have effort put in and are edited post-AI generation. To be clear I hate low-effort "AI slop" as much as the next person)

[MalcfunctionCrazyfor]

It is extremely disingenuous of you to come here like "Oh woe is me we were having such a productive conversation and the mean old mods deleted it" when in the deleted thread you explicitly stated "If this is against the rules the mods can delete it".

Hey Roxxy.

First off, I wanted to say I've loved your work for a while. Your stories and the pixel art you've done, even the attempt at avatar video animation that popped up once was really cool.

That being said, if this was directed at me for pointing out the deleted topic, I'd like to amend a few things. For starters, I wasn't the one who opened the thread. I can't remember the username of the one who did, alongside Anderson88, whom they shared ideas with in it. I just made a single reply on that thread about how our fetish is already very niche, made even smaller by different tastes each one of us has when it comes to bots, both in form, function and situations they're in, and how the examples they had shared, could broaden it up a bit.
I also pointed out that I completely understand how authors could be uncomfortable with their work being used without permission to be turned into video, using AI or not (Hell, CluffCluff asked the creators of Casino of Deception if she could recreate/remaster it before starting her work on it, and she's doing it by hand in blender!) and should be consulted first. Some were okay with it, some not. And all of that is fair.

There were 2 threads created simultaneously. One was the one I was making a reference to in my previous paragraph, the other was the one with Anderson88's recreations of stories without consulting first. I believe that's the one he said it should be deleted if it wasn't allowed. However, that one was locked and the one with the discussion was deleted.

My first reply to this thread was in reference to that, and having re-read it, I realize the wording could've been much better, but I was disappointed that, of all 3 threads created, that was the one that got deleted. Sadly that tainted my reply.

Unfortunately, as always, some bad faith actors pop up making absolutely inflammatory hostile comments that sparked fights and garnered replies with the same energy, and began derailing what was otherwise an exchange of ideas and conversation where more members were talking about it at the same time in a while in this forum.

That being said: ProchazkaJBG, keep that hostile energy out of these discussions. You've already had a spat in the stories forum, keep it there, and don't infect more threads with it. The topic is divisive as it is, and the last thing this forum needs is more fights breaking out, dividing the community further.

Anyway, to end the post: Roxxy, if your comment wasn't aimed at me, then please disregard this one. I just wanted to clarify some things. If it was, I hope this clears things up a bit. I meant what I said at the beginning by the way. Love your work, and thanks for sharing those stories and art with the community, they're great.

[tdlsn]

And now its been completely removed. Not even locked, just removed. Looking real healthy out here.

Gotta love it which is why I rather lurk than to post here.

[NatalieBayer]

Allow me to clarify a few things.

1. The admin on the forums, wiki, and FembotLabs fairly regularly discuss topics. AI has been one that has bubbled up a lot recently.
2. We do not allow AI generated content here or the wiki for a few reasons, none of which have been resolved yet:

-Ethics:
The vast majority of the images, stories, articles, etc. were scraped and put into data sets without credit or knowledge of the people who originally created them. We're pretty against that kind of thing around here. And yes, I understand that manip artists aren't securing permission from the subjects they are working, but in most countries there are legal rulings about parody that allows an artist to do transformative work without legal repercussions. AI generated art, as of yet, does not meet the legal scrutiny of parody.

-Flooding: We do worry that there will be a flooding of content. We could contain it to one single board here, but we also understand that it would spill out. On top of that, we worry that in the future there will be legal rulings about AI content and we don't want to have to manually go through the content posted here and remove or modify whatever might have been posted.

-Personal Preferences: Believe it or not this is not as divisive as you might think. The vast majority of people who ive talked to on the board and in the discord are against AI generated content. The folks who do want it posted are just usually the loudest and stir up the most talking points (this is not a dig on anyone, just a very broad stroke). So, in keeping with what people want, we went with the majority. If that changes in the future, we'll at least discuss it.

I definitely understand the want to post AI generated content folks have made. I've personally made a few things here and there that I thought were pretty good and wanted to share. But for now, until there is some real solid and sound legislative boundaries and rulings set up to regulate AI generated content we are going to err on the side of caution and disallow it on the Wiki and Forums. Again, if that should change in the future we are open to discussions and reevaluating the rules here, but for now the ruling stands.

[ProchazkaJBG]

And now its been completely removed. Not even locked, just removed. Looking real healthy out here.

Gotta love it which is why I rather lurk than to post here.

[ProchazkaJBG]

That being said: ProchazkaJBG, keep that hostile energy out of these discussions. You've already had a spat in the stories forum, keep it there, and don't infect more threads with it. The topic is divisive as it is, and the last thing this forum needs is more fights breaking out, dividing the community further.

Ok I'll disregard the multiple DM's I got from people thanking me lol