Some People Don't Understand

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by daphne » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:00 am

dale coba wrote: Based on your flippant response
to DarkRexx's valid analysis
of the lazy and reproachable intellectual standards of some who don't care about the existence of information beyond their anecdotal experience,
- I take it you want me to think you are completely made of shit? not just full of shit?
You can think whatever you want to think of me. I will return in kind.

It's important to keep things in perspective. The author of the original article that started this thread is demonstrably a cruel, judgmental xenophobe; he wrote what he wrote to get cheap laughs at the expense of people whom he doesn't know or care to know, and whose feelings he had to know would be easily hurt by his words. Okay, that is what it is. But what do you do with that once the ball is in your court? Do you use the old biblical measure of "a tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye", or do you take a higher road? Just because you're actually being ridiculed and oppressed doesn't mean you can't also be a jerk.

Also: we are talking about people who want to hump plastic dollies (myself included!) -- that's kind of inherently silly, but then all kinds of sex are. If you're the sort of person that thinks being silly sometimes is a bad thing, then of course you're going to be bothered when someone else points it out. Personally I find that embracing the silliness allows me to take comments like the ones above with a grain of salt. As Voltaire said, "the superfluous is very necessary."

That said, some good political points have been made on this thread -- just not very eloquently. Ideologically, right-wing people would be opposed to fembots for the same reason that they're opposed to gay marriage or anything else not generally heteronormative (see: the Islamic country of Bahrain trying to outlaw department store mannequins a few years back, which would be the closest real world parallel), and left-wing people would be opposed to them for the same reason feminists are opposed to actual women being used as decoration (which they have historically been until very recently, and which affectations of still vehemently persist socially -- see this recent article on, again, mannequins being banned). But people aren't just their ideologies, either. They're people, who can be complex, compassionate, hypocritical, short-sighted, vain, intuitive, or brutal -- sometimes all of those at once. This discussion isn't going to be solved by pigeonholing anyone; being pigeonholed ourselves is what started it in the first place.

So maybe we all take a deep breath or two, and think about what we've all said, and try to remember that, at least on this board, we're all supposed to be on the same side.

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by RoxxyRobofox » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:23 am

dale coba wrote:
daphne wrote:
DarkRexx wrote:So what I'm gathering is it's NOT okay to do that to technosexuality, because you like it, but it IS okay to use sensationalism and bullshit you made up off the top of your head to argue against people you don't agree with. That's a double standard and its completely repulsive behavior.
"Everyone's full of shit except MEEEEEEEE!"
Based on your flippant response
to DarkRexx's valid analysis
of the lazy and reproachable intellectual standards of some who don't care about the existence of information beyond their anecdotal experience,
- I take it you want me to think you are completely made of shit? not just full of shit?

- Dale Coba
I'm pretty sure daphne was just using humor to sum up what the point I was trying to make was. I don't think she was being flippant, I think she was just trying to be funny. I'm somewhat certain that she actually quoted some comedic media. I REALLY don't think it warranted such a rude insult.

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by daphne » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:06 am

DarkRexx wrote:I'm pretty sure daphne was just using humor to sum up what the point I was trying to make was. I don't think she was being flippant, I think she was just trying to be funny. I'm somewhat certain that she actually quoted some comedic media. I REALLY don't think it warranted such a rude insult.
Oh, that's okay, Rexx. Mr. Coba's just treating me like the mindless artificial construct that I am. I probably just need to be reprogrammed to do the dishes or vacuum the carpets or something.

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by RoxxyRobofox » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:56 am

daphne wrote: Oh, that's okay, Rexx. Mr. Coba's just treating me like the mindless artificial construct that I am. I probably just need to be reprogrammed to do the dishes or vacuum the carpets or something.
Oh hey, I'M a mindless artificial construct that acts out of turn because of faulty programming! We should totally get coffee sometime.

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by dale coba » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:26 am

I thought that might be a media quote - but my lazy attempt failed to reveal a source.

Ya know what I hate about CNN?
To them, both political sides are equally to blame for everything.
They strain and stretch and spin to make seem right the wrong side
(those times when there factually is a wrong side).

Daphne's attempt to make peace with dismissive humor undercut the point - it's not okay for one side to act like there are no standards for discussions such as this.

tdlsn (Ted Lawson?) gazed into navel and offered up the lint as if any amount of thought or reading had gone into his "answer". That style of debate will underwhelm everyone he meets.

All empty talk like that can do is churn and foment emotions and ignorance - creating prejudice, if not outright bigotry. As a solo act, fnord's a local character, cool with me. But when I smell a ditto-head, echo chamber forming, I think about the women here, and how such talk can only be offensive and alienating.

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by Sentient6 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:25 pm

Rex, Daphne, stop being so mindlessly artificially adorable with each other :p

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by RoxxyRobofox » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:33 pm

I'm sorry. D: It's just how I'm programmed to behave! I mean, if I could I'd probably just go on a mindless bloody rampage.

Or make angry replies to people on the Internet. Have you SEEN how angry my avatar looks?

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by tinadanger » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:39 am

I liked this thread till it when to flame wars just saying and I think the libertarians would be mixed to I think that no matter what it mostly wrong to judge people for their sexual interests, consent of human to human interaction should be the only thing that matters and robot to human stuff will be worked out later.
I am very happy some one brought up the double standard of "it's ok for women to have a "battery operated boyfriend" but not for men
Have you any idea how it feels to be a Fembot living in a Manbot's Manputer's world?

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by Trace Venom » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:21 pm

Hey! I brought cupcakes! Let's just chill.

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by Stephaniebot » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:22 pm

If the men want a battery operated boyfriend, then hey, who am I to stop them? :lol: Seriously, I dont mind them having a battery operated girlfriend either. :wink:
I'm just a 'girl' who wants to become a fembot whats wrong with that?

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by tinadanger » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:27 pm

lol i didn't think anyone here would :bighug:
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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by tdlsn » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:29 pm

tdlsn (Ted Lawson?) gazed into navel and offered up the lint as if any amount of thought or reading had gone into his "answer". That style of debate will underwhelm everyone he meets.
Damn,must've gotten to ya man.Not bad for someone who's been described as lacking any ability to participate in this thread. :thumbsup:
Let it go genius

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by fembot_stalker » Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:32 pm

I don't know if it would be a good idea to hypnotize a real woman into acting like a sex robot, though.
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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by Stephaniebot » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:15 pm

fembot_stalker wrote:I don't know if it would be a good idea to hypnotize a real woman into acting like a sex robot, though.
Why not, as its fair to assume that beyond MC fiction, she would have to be willing to be hypnotised to fulfil the role in the first place? If she knew what was going to happen, why wouldnt it be a reasonable idea?
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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by Grendizer » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:16 pm

There is an obvious false equivalence being made between technosexuality and misogyny in the article. If I want a robot dog, does that mean I am objectifying real dogs, or that I can't be a loving pet owner, or that I'm somehow cruel to real animals? And yet, this is PETA's wet dream. The very reason anyone desires an analogue to a woman is that the real thing somehow doesn't conform to one's desires in some way or that we don't wish to treat real women in some particular fashion. Ergo, the objectification isn't of real women in the first place. A real misogynist would merely impose those desires on an actual woman (being dismissive or actively hateful of their personhood), rather than imposing them on what is demonstrably a damned object!

I can tell you, even if I had a socially acceptable choice to treat women as objects, I still wouldn't, merely because I am compelled to conclude that women have personhood (since I claim this status for myself and all humans ultimately come from the same genetic stock as me), and that they experience the world in at least a vaguely similar fashion as I do, which means they do not usually desire to be seen or used as objects and would suffer for being so treated. Having realized this, my sense of empathy requires of me not to treat them as objects. It has nothing to do with transferring some repressed instinct onto robots while imagining they are real women. It is that I realize that they are not real women (or persons at all) that I can treat them as objects, because they are actual objects. I conclude, therefore, that the author fails to establish his faulty premise, and in doing so reveals himself to be an a complete asshat.
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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by xodar » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:04 am

You are quite right.

I had no idea this would generate so much discussion. Part of it is due to the knee-jerk response of people trying to defend the poor, helpless, shrinking, sensitive, weak females against the awful man who insists they're smart, capable, and have always had political power in the Western world. Such is feminist conditioning, based on and continung chivalry, over the last few decades.
Most anti-sex legislation has been pushed by female groups and leftists in cahoots with religious fundamentalists.
A burst of anti-sex legislation was passed during the Progressive Era (socialists) 1910-1920, and it was pushed by female groups such as WCTU. It's a fallacy that women couldn't vote till 1920; by then they voted in over half the states. The belief they couldn't is leftist and feminist propaganda. Voting is supposed to be left up to the states by the US Constitution and the movement to be sure females could vote had been gathering steam since the mid 1800s. The amendment was pushed through to undermine state authority before it passed in all states. A powerful centralized state is necessary to totalitarians.
I suppose nobody much knows these facts today.
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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by King Snarf » Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:29 am

... Okay, I'm not comfortable with the whole "feminist conspiracy" thing. As far as states' rights go, well, sometimes you can't trust state governments. If I recall correctly, one or two states STILL haven't ratified the Emancipation Proclamation. Good thing we don't need every single state to amend the constitution.

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by Stephaniebot » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:09 am

I'm downright annoyed about the whole feminist conspiracy thing to be honest. I think one or two (maybe more?) around here have failed to notice just how many female members there are at this place, and none appear to exactly be against the whole fembot concept!

Yes, there are feminists out there in this world, there are a number of mysoginistic men as well, or dont they want to notice that fact?

The people here are here for one reason, and it shouldnt be to slag off the opposite sex. Alright, technically you could say its 2 reasons, because of the built/ transformation preferences, but in the end...

Xodar, I'd like to point out that a lot of the legislation in the early 20th Century related to the fact that women couldnt vote back then, and some form of emancipation was therefore needed, just to equal things up a little. What I see, that led to the Flapper era, and they were hardly outrageous feminists, more like girls trying to have a lot of fun!

So please, keep things polite, and dont tar every woman with the same brush. Rant over, I think?
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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by King Snarf » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:14 am

At least he didn't use the phrase "Feminazi".

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by Stephaniebot » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:13 pm

True. Just as well really, I havent got a pair of thigh boots lol! :lol:
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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by King Snarf » Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:24 pm

Stephaniebot wrote:True. Just as well really, I havent got a pair of thigh boots lol! :lol:
Now I know what to put on your Christmas list! :wink:

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by Sentient6 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:34 pm

Xodar, if women could vote in just "over half the states" that still means there were states they couldn't vote in, and that's not ok in a free society. Trying to spin it into a states rights issue perfectly illustrates why states rights aren't necessarily the ideal path to personal liberty that proponents of the concept like to claim. They can just as easily be an avenue to more localized majorities further marginalize groups that are minorities in a particular state, as can be seen in examples such as slavery, racial segregation, gay rights, reproductive rights, recent policies regarding immigrants in Arizona. Seriously, trying to say that whether or not people with certain genitalia and chromosome configuration should be disallowed certain rights until their state government says otherwise is more conducive to freedom than a constitutional mandate granting such rights across the country is logically unsound and doesn't communicate a great concern for equal rights.

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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by King Snarf » Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:28 am

Sentient6 wrote:Xodar, if women could vote in just "over half the states" that still means there were states they couldn't vote in, and that's not ok in a free society. Trying to spin it into a states rights issue perfectly illustrates why states rights aren't necessarily the ideal path to personal liberty that proponents of the concept like to claim. They can just as easily be an avenue to more localized majorities further marginalize groups that are minorities in a particular state, as can be seen in examples such as slavery, racial segregation, gay rights, reproductive rights, recent policies regarding immigrants in Arizona. Seriously, trying to say that whether or not people with certain genitalia and chromosome configuration should be disallowed certain rights until their state government says otherwise is more conducive to freedom than a constitutional mandate granting such rights across the country is logically unsound and doesn't communicate a great concern for equal rights.
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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by Stephaniebot » Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:13 am

King Snarf wrote:
Stephaniebot wrote:True. Just as well really, I havent got a pair of thigh boots lol! :lol:
Now I know what to put on your Christmas list! :wink:
Yes, in silver would be wonderful, though I'm not sure if there are actually any? :wink: Size 8 UK, if anyone should want to help? :lol:
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Re: Some People Don't Understand

Post by xodar » Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:37 am

Sentient6 wrote:Xodar, if women could vote in just "over half the states" that still means there were states they couldn't vote in, and that's not ok in a free society. Trying to spin it into a states rights issue perfectly illustrates why states rights aren't necessarily the ideal path to personal liberty that proponents of the concept like to claim. They can just as easily be an avenue to more localized majorities further marginalize groups that are minorities in a particular state, as can be seen in examples such as slavery, racial segregation, gay rights, reproductive rights, recent policies regarding immigrants in Arizona. Seriously, trying to say that whether or not people with certain genitalia and chromosome configuration should be disallowed certain rights until their state government says otherwise is more conducive to freedom than a constitutional mandate granting such rights across the country is logically unsound and doesn't communicate a great concern for equal rights.

Clearly the trend was likely to continue as it had for the previous 50+ years.
The intention of the divided government was for people to be able to relocate if they didn't like and the the state wouldn't change some law. The states were likely intended to be able to engage in economic measures against each other
Where will you go if you don't like a Federal law? You'd have to leave the entire country amd learn an entirely new culture, maybe language, and so on.
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